2016 Offseason

AWAW Roundtable: Coaching search breakdown, Korn Ferry jokes

glenWednesday, the Wolves parted ways with GM Milt Newton and interim head coach Sam Mitchell, while announcing that a search firm (Korn Ferry) would spearhead the effort to find a replacement (coach/President of Basketball Operations combo) or replacements (one coach, one P.O.B.O.). Given Glen Taylor’s history of sticking with familiar people, how shocked are you at these developments?

Steve: It’s certainly very un-Wolves-like, which is, frankly, encouraging. Whether this is Taylor changing or just handing the process over more completely to a third party like Korn Ferry to be done right, it seems like an acknowledgment that this is a very important and maybe even critical moment in the development of this team. They’ve already gotten lucky a few times in terms of getting Wiggins because LeBron decided he needed Kevin Love in Cleveland and making the right pick in Towns, but that doesn’t mean there still isn’t plenty of time to screw it up by not getting this coach/POBO stuff exactly right.

Bill: Stunned. A few days later, I’m still not sure how to process it. Taylor’s opted almost exclusively for the comfortable and familiar for more than two decades, and now, at this critical juncture, he’s a cold pragmatist. It’s a good thing, I think – this is the kind of search that we all wanted – but the fact it’s really happening is still an incredible development.

Zach: I’m not entirely shocked about the coaching decision because for much of the year it sounded like the Wolves weren’t enamored with Sam as a long-term solution. There were certainly issues with him from a public perception because of the way he handled the media, but I don’t think the casual fan cares much about how he treats reporters. Mostly, I think it was the way some of the players were supposedly not thrilled about his style of coaching that put his future with the team in jeopardy. Where the situation became confusing regarding what the future looked like is Sam and the players turned the corner after January, and it looked like maybe he earned another year because that was possibly easier than the coaching search. Instead, he got the ax the morning of the final game (not cool, by the way), and now here we are.

In terms of Milt Newton, I’m pretty surprised by this. We had heard he was going to get the summer and maybe they’ll end up retaining him as the general manager long-term. But essentially going with the trendy dual-role situation (or that’s where it sounds like it’s headed) makes that complicated for keeping Newton around. I would’ve liked to see what he could do this summer.

Tim: I’m not completely shocked to see Mitchell go, though I was a bit surprised by how quickly it all took place. The decision to see Mitchell go wasn’t a shocking move, but I expected this to be a saga that took several weeks (if not more) to figure all this out. I enjoy seeing Taylor’s decision to hire an external crew to help field this search. To me, this move acknowledges his knowledge of the “country club” narrative circulating Wolves-ville.

One thing I’m not sure on: is Milt Newton really gone? From what I’ve read, I’m legitimately unsure, and it seems as though their decision hasn’t been made yet. One thing is clear, though: he will not be the one making final decisions on player personnel, draft, etc, after this year.

Stan Van Gundy addresses the media after being introduced as the Detroit Pistons newest head coach and president of basketball operations at the Palace in Auburn Hills, Mich., Thursday, May 15, 2014. (AP Photo/Carlos Osorio)

Your preference for coach must hinge on whether they’re also given the President of Basketball Operations job, I imagine. So let’s begin this way – who would you trust with both roles, if anyone?

Steve: I’m not entirely sure I trust anyone. To me, the jobs occupy very different headspaces and I don’t think there are very many people who can do both to the best of their abilities at the same time. That said, exactly how much of each job a given person does when they have that title is not entirely clear. Gregg Popovich is the coach and R.C. Buford is the general manager in San Antonio, but clearly Popovich has a lot of say on Buford’s side. To that extent, the whole coach/GM thing might be more about appearances and dealing with the public side of each job — especially the front office side — more than the nitty gritty. If that’s the case, and we’re talking about a dual position with lots of support that is respected and listened to, Jeff Van Gundy might be the best as far as juggling those two public roles simultaneously.

Bill: I’m with Steve in the sense that I’d like a division of labor among the coach and chief personnel decision-maker. The tricky part is weighing whether any coach would be worth tacking on the P.O.B.O. title and duties as an incentive to come here. Honestly, the job is so attractive that the Wolves shouldn’t have to do such a thing. I disagree that Jeff Van Gundy would be the best fit – he last coached nearly a decade ago, and when he was in the league, he had ready-to-win teams in New York and Houston that were assembled by other people. To me, there’s no one worth such a leap of faith.

Zach: Stan Van Gundy has made it look cool again, but he’s also Stan Van Gundy. He can make anything look cool. Well, maybe not Crocs. I’m not a huge fan of the dual-role of president of basketball ops and coach. Obviously, he’s not the only one doing the job of either. General manager and assistant executives end up helping with the day-to-day front office stuff, while player development and assistants help with the day-to-day coaching stuff. I still think it’s a tricky balance. Someone like Doc Rivers hasn’t handled it well, in my opinion, and I think making sure the checks and balances of both jobs are important. I’d advise against it, but I guess it depends on who ends up with that power and who ends up helping that person. I don’t really feel good about available candidates having that autonomy.

Tim: I’m with the three of you on this one. I’m not as big as some are in the POBO/HC combo, even though it seems more and more coaches are trying to make this their designation lately. It’s very, very hard to be a good coach, or a good basketball executive. With that in mind, it seems nearly impossible to find someone to be the head man in both departments. Even if the coach has lots of say in the player acquisition department, I think it’s best to have someone that helps keep the coach’s sanity (think of the time commitments a coach already has).

uspresswire-sixers-brett-brown_16Forget the P.O.B.O. part of it for a minute. From a basketball-only perspective – managing the players and helping them reach their full potential – who would you prefer?

Steve: Overall, I prefer fresher guys to the war horses here, so I like Brett Brown (if rumors about the possibility of Philly letting him go are true, which is insane) or Dave Joerger to guys like Thibodeau and Van Gundy. I’m also firmly on board with whomever they could take from the Spurs — Ettore Messina or Becky Hammon, basically. But generally speaking I would like to see a coach who’s open-minded and young enough to grow with the team as the team grows.

Bill: I want to say Brett Brown (if he becomes available), because he seems like a terrific communicator who deserves a chance to coach something other than a roster that’s an insult to the league (which is all he’s had in his three seasons as the Sixers’ coach), but I feel most strongly about Scott Brooks. Tom Thibodeau would squeeze everything out of the team now, but Brooks, who’s handled stars as they came into their own and taken them to the Finals, would combine the best mix of the short and long views.

Zach: Love the idea of Brett Brown if the Sixers are stupid and fire him, but the guy I want more than anybody is Jarron Collins. People around the Warriors credit him and Ron Adams with the great start of the season while Luke Walton was receiving the accolades for being the interim coach in Steve Kerr’s absence. Collins is the next big deal in assistant coaches becoming head coaches and with the way he handles players and strategy, I think he’d be perfect for this young team. He’s analytically inclined as far as I’ve heard, but he was a player and can relate to what that grind is.

Tim: I’ll name someone different, even though I too am in on the Brett Brown scenario. Tom Thibodeau has a storied history of “burning out” some of his players (see: Luol Deng, Joakim Noah), but he also has a history of winning over a span of several years. If paired with the proper lead assistant, maybe one that helps him with minute management (I’m probably reaching here), this could work well. The Wolves deserve some winning, and history shows Thibs knows how to do that. Quickly.

TORONTO OUT RAPS PRACTICE - 04/23/08 - The Toronto Raptors are back in town for game 3 of the playoffs tomorrow night against the Orlando Magic. The raps are down 2 games to 0. They held a practice at the ACC today.What, Me Worry? Coach Sam Mitchell lays back at the end of practice.(RICHARD LAUTENS/TORONTO STAR)

All things considered, would you rate Sam Mitchell’s year as interim coach as being good, fair, or poor?

Steve: Fair to good, given that it’s over and he’s gone. I don’t necessarily think his relative success earned him a long-term contract, although it also didn’t automatically mean he should be let go. Nevertheless, by releasing him this quickly, the Wolves are signalling that they’re serious about getting serious, and the fact that they feel they can get serious right now is something of a testament to Mitchell’s work. Clearly, the organization feels the team has shown enough promise to attract high level coaches, and some of that is due to Mitchell’s work with them.

Bill: Good. The degree of difficulty was extremely high, especially at the beginning, but overall I think he did a good job of balancing veteran minutes with the younger players. I wish his offense had been more modern, of course, and I wish Zach LaVine’s transition to shooting guard had come a tad sooner, but the way the team battled late into the season was a testament to his work as a motivator. He was what they needed this year, and did a fine job.

Zach: I’d give him a 6 out of 10. Impossible beginning to the season and they dealt with it about as well as you could expect. Great finish to the season, and while the defense was a mess during that time, they were playing three 20/21-year olds heavy minutes, so I’m not sure how much you can expect from the defense during that stretch. The offense was great, even though they still didn’t shoot a lot of 3-pointers. Sam deserves credit for those successes and development, just as much as he deserves blame for the middle portion of the season when this team was atrocious. Some may feel a 6 out of 10 is too generous, but I offer it up with the clarification that I have my doubts in his ability moving forward to figure out or make up for any of those missing four points.

Tim: Fair. The way he finished the season legitimately impressed me, and not the stuff that he was knocked hardest for (LaVine PG stuff, three pointers, rotations). Aside from his general management of the team’s core, I think his late game management improved to end the season. The play that set up the Wolves’ win in Portland late in the season was so beautiful it nearly improved my rating of him from “fair” to “good”.

But too many things early in the season stayed with me. I’m not sure I want to give him as much credit for player development as others might, for example. LaVine improved throughout the season, but I wonder if it would have happened more quickly had he simply played shooting guard all year long, instead of jerking him around from spot to spot. I’ll get into it on a greater scale at another time, but all in all, I would have been okay to see Mitchell stay next year, which is a big jump from where he started with me.

taylor eggsAre you at all upset at the way the news of Mitchell’s dismissal was leaked? Do you feel his exit was unfairly handled?

Steve: It wasn’t done well, I’ll say that. The initial reports that a search was beginning but would include Mitchell were strange, to say the least. I’ve said before that it’s tremendously difficult to audition for the job when you already have it, and so it was putting Mitchell in an uncomfortable position for sure. The final word on it — which said simply that he was relieved of his interim coaching duties — makes sense viewed outside of the run-up to it, so here’s hoping they (or whoever is working on messaging) have straightened some of this up so that this kind of murky messaging doesn’t continue.

Bill: It was bullshit, as Britt more or less demonstrated at the end of last week. It’s the right decision to move on from him, and I’m not particularly indignant that he wasn’t afforded an interview, but to let him twist in the wind and have that shitty feeling before, during, and after the final game (especially as he faced the press) was absurd. I would have expected the Wolves to treat one of their own with a bit more class.

Zach: It was no bueno. Having it leak during the day and telling him the morning of the final game wasn’t good. Maybe that was the fuel behind sending him off with a victory and such a convincing win over an awful team, but regardless, it wasn’t right to handle it that way. Could have informed him after the game that his time with the team was done and not had it leak that day. It’s not that hard.

Tim: I will never understand why they decided to tell Mitchell (and, even worse, his players) before the final game. I understand it may have served as a way to pump up his players towards blowing out the injury-plagued Pelicans to end the year, but that’s not how you handle business. So no, I’m not a fan of how it was handled. At all.

corn ferryPlease come up with your best “Korn Ferry joke.”

Steve: Korn Ferry’s process for finding executive hires is a bit revolutionary, I understand. You place an ear of corn under your pillow before you go to sleep and in the morning, you’ll wake up to find the Corn Fairy has left a head coach and president of basketball operations under your pillow without even stirring you.

Bill: How did the overrated 90s metal band cross the stream? The took a Korn Ferry.

Zach: Hire Korn Ferry and you won’t drown in a maize of a coaching search.

Tim: I don’t know much, but I do know the next Wolves coach will be a Freak On A Leash.

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10 thoughts on “AWAW Roundtable: Coaching search breakdown, Korn Ferry jokes

  1. 1. In a league with a fair amount of inequality in the coaching/gm ranks, it’s a little disconcerting to see two minorities fired and the first two names to replace them are white guys. (I’m a white guy, btw) I guess there is still hope that additional names will diversify the list. Melvin Hunt???
    2. I understand hiring an executive search firm for a gm search, but what do they know about hiring a head basketball coach? Yes coaching is part leadership, etc.. but more importantly it is about coaching basketball, which I doubt the fine people at Korn Ferry know anything about.
    3. Tibs is great, but his minute management is a dealbreaker for me. And he is stubborn as hell so that isn’t changing.
    4. Agree that JVG has been out of the game for too long.

    1. 1. I agree to an extent on the minority aspect of it, but in a vacuum the candidates being discussed to replace Mitchell are clearly superior in terms of results. It’s one thing to fire Mitchell to hire Randy Wittman. It’s a completely different thing to fire Mitchell to hire Rick Carlisle (rhetorical example). Newton – I didn’t think he was officially fired? I thought he was a candidate for the new guy to determine, and that’s why Newton is still working.

      2. I see the hiring of a firm to do this search in very pragmatic terms: who else does Glen have available to do it? Glen’s not going to do it himself, and he already knows he’s not convinced on Newton. There is literally no one else in the organization to do this, so you hire it out. And consider what that actually entails – essentially you’re contracting a third party to do a significant amount of vetting, cost/benefit analysis, contract research, etc etc for you so that they can hand Glen a comprehensive report that he can review.

      As for Korn Ferry’s ability to understand coaching, I think a) the records of the candidates rumored speak for themselves, and b) I believe Korn Ferry was involved with a couple other recent coaching hires in the NBA that have worked out really well for all involved, so they do have a relevant track record to rely upon.

      3. I disagree. Chicago’s medical staff is very poor, and has been for many years now. Blogabull has a great post on it from earlier this month that documents the myriad examples of a medical staff putting players and coaches in poor situations. What’s Thibs supposed to do if the team medical staff says a player is fine? Big, big problems over there, and notably switching to Hoiberg this year did not change the injury problems at all for them.

      As for the minutes thing – I think this is valid, to an extent, and re-emphasizes the importance of keeping Kander on staff and keeping him empowered to manage players. According to Thibs, he honored whatever minutes restrictions were placed on his players (again, if the medical staff is incompetent, what do you expect him to do)? I think Kander’s handling of Rubio this year would be very persuasive to Thibs – a little precaution early, even though frustrating, yielded a strong and resilient Rubio for the stretch run. Probably the best he’s looked here, actually.

      4. I have no idea if JVG would be any good or not because of his broadcasting. I certainly believe that broadcasting helps some guys be better because they get to look at some much more and see how it all works out. Jim Pete is great example – I am very confident that he’s a better coach now because of the exposure to the innovations of the game broadcasting has brought him.

      For the record, I’m all in on Thibs.

      1. 1. agreed.
        2. The only nba coach I can find that they hired is Stan, which was a no brainer. Coaching is more than wins and losses, otherwise George Karl would be our next coach. (no thanks) What system does he run? Does that system fit with our core? etc…I agree with hiring a firm to help, but I’d rather they hire an intelligent, qualified gm and let that person hire a coach. That said it seems like maybe Glen Taylor wants one person to do both, which I’m not a fan of but oh well. I guess this firm can’t do much worse than the wolves have done in the past.
        3. I don’t care what the medical staff gives as a minutes cap, nobody in this day and age should be averaging anywhere near 40 minutes a game and if you don’t practice that then it’s a problem. Jimmy Butler, Derrick Rose and Luol Deng all averaged more than 38 under Tibs. He’s a really good coach and we would be a much better team with him, but I worry about our long term health. This is a marathon for us not a sprint, and as out of shape as Tibs is he is a pedal to the metal sprinter all day every day. Smart teams rest players and he doesn’t. Maybe the medical staff can tell him what to do, or maybe since he’s not just the coach but also the boss of Kander he’ll tell him to f off and let him win games.
        4. JVG is great on TV. He should stay there.

  2. The biggest concern right now is that this search firm may not get past interviewing 2 candidates, 2 guys that any casual fan could pick out as their favorites. Is this team trying to win the press conference and the casual fan, or are they trying to build a team that can be competitive? Also, Steve pointed out last week (http://www.1500espn.com/wolves-2/2016/04/feelings-arent-numbers-the-biggest-concern-about-thibodeau/) that Thibodeau was reported to be doing a lot of the thinking for his Bulls team; I can’t imagine that works in the conference finals when playing against basketball savants like LeBron and doesn’t say much about his ability as a teacher.

  3. Jeff brings up a great point about minority coaches and I think my thoughts mirror biggity’s. I’d be mad if they let Sam go just so they could hire some obscure white guy for the job. I thought letting Dwayne Casey go in favor of Randy Wittman and Kurt Rambis was a mistake all the way back as it was happening. But I don’t think they would’ve let Sam go without having some big-fishes in mind who are interested in taking the job that would be clear upgrades.

    I’m interested in why all of you think so highly of Brett Brown. My impression is that he’s done about as well as he can with D-League level talent and has stayed loyal and positive during the most frustrating moments of “The Process”. However, I guess I don’t know what you guys see in him that would make him preferable to guys who actually have experience leading teams deep into the playoffs.

    I also think a combo-POBO/coach is a bad idea. Coaches absolutely should be able to have weight in discussing basketball personnel decisions. But I remember watching an interview with an NBA coach who said he needed the separation of power to be the best coach as he could be. He said that GM’s are allowed to be the cold-hearted, calculating bad guys willing to haggle for guy’s salaries or cut/trade guys if they aren’t performing well and that coaches need to be able to distance themselves from decisions that undercut team chemistry or personal morale.

    I’m ultimately team Thibs. I’m mindful that he can be an ass and we risk his personality clashing with Wiggins, but the Wolves need a defensive disciplinarian to get to the next level and there is no one with a better track record than Thibs. As for the other prospects, I wasn’t ever enamored with Jeff Van Gundy when he was still relevant (although Stan has made a promising comeback in Detroit), I think Brooks is overrated (Presti and the OKC players deserve the largest slice of credit for his success), I’d be fine with Joerger but it’s not clear he’s on his way out of Memphis, and I like the idea of Messina or Jarron Collins, but I think we’d have to continue to mitigate our expectations for the learning curve of them figuring out how to be a head coach.

    1. That’s the one thing I don’t get with these coaches desiring the title that implies the power: they can have the power without the title, which also gives them plausible deniability when guys are on the trade market or get cut. I understand that Thibodeau was undercut by his front office, but that also helped maintain his integrity in a situation where the players maybe start tuning him out eventually.

  4. I agree with gjk’s concern about Korn Ferry only interviewing two candidates. Thibs came in over the weekend and they are interviewing JVG today. They are both good candidates (not without potential downsides), but I really hope that the Wolves wait a few weeks to make a final decision. Maybe Memphis fired Joerger after being swept. Why not interview the Spurs assistants? If this is truly meant to be the franchise-defining coaching hire, you need to exhaust all possibilities.

  5. I was surprised the Wolves dismissed Mitchell at all and right away. I have to admit I did a dance when I heard Mark Rosen report that Sam wouldn’t be back. It’s not a gloat dance, but I’m just happy we are being serious as a franchise in all aspects. There has been a lot of chatter about the timing of the decision. I don’t know enough about the business side of things to know if that’s highly unusual and insulting or not. If I was in control I would have let the last game play out before telling anyone, but what a fan would do in that situation carries no weight.

    I hope we get a coach good enough and ambitious enough to want some say in GM type things, but the spine to not give a dual title. I wouldn’t trust anyone with both roles. It’s too much power.

    In some ways I’m laid back about this. I seem to have a lower opinion on Sam and the job he did than this panel. So, I think (particularly with the names I’ve been hearing) it is going to be easy to have an upgrade. Among the older big names, for some reason I am floating toward Jeff Van Gundy. He seems like a guy who can think outside the box and on his feet, and will be likable and yet keep the young guys in line. Maybe this is a reaction to Sam, who was very stuck in his ways, not very good on his feet and slow to make obvious adjustments. And stubborn… about everything all the time. Coaches need to be stubborn and open minded at the same time, but Sam just seemed stubborn. Thibs worries me. He’s smart, knows what he’s doing and is intimidating. But he likely will want too much power and has a history of trouble getting along with his players and front office. I love the defense he provides, and his offense would also be an upgrade from the Mitchell thing. But Thibs worries me. I just don’t think Scott Brooks is that good. It’s hard to say, though. The Thunder are always so good on paper, but they’ve been a case study in great talent not gelling like it should. Is that Brooks’ fault to a degree or not? I’ve never been impressed by anything he’s done, but he was the long time coach of a good team. I’m not excited by him, but even if we go with him it’s a large upgrade over Mitchell.

    Among lesser knowns, I tend to be confused by the Brett Brown talk. Perhaps my coaching knowledge isn’t what it could be. Joerger is more appealing to me, but not readily available. I hesitate to trust Golden State assistants. I don’t like how GS plays (even though they are effectively coached) and they also have very different personnel than the Wolves. How do you convert GS’ style to us, even if you wanted to? Do any of the assistants know any other way to play a team? Do they know how to deal with challenges (they’ve been riding a wave of a single, talented core in their prime backed by an excellent coach their whole time in GS). I’m more for Spurs assistants. I think they’d be able to be more flexible with how the team plays, what the personnel dictates. While they have had great circumstances too, they have faced challenges of roster turn over, aging and adapting as the team evolves from one core to another. GS has not had to do this yet under this staff.

    But all this is fun for me. I can worry about who we pick, but it is likely an upgrade. I credit Sam with being good mentally for the young guys in a time of tragedy and showing some improvement as the season went on. But he’s just not that talented as a coach, and not the kind of guy who’s going to improve that much (or even admit to himself that he could have done some things better). It’s easy, now that the season has ended to look back at our good start, positive growth and good end, and credit Sam. But he’s a terrible nuts and bolts coach and lacks the temperament to get along with players, media, and fans in the long run (count me as a fan who was bothered by the way he treated the media). A lot of the developmental progress was due to young guys naturally picking up things from playing, although it seems Sam’s main strength is his detail teaching of players individually, which helped. Still, we looked fundamentally unsound much of the year, and after an initial emphasis, defense seemed to go out the window (and our record showed it). His systems on O and D, if you could even call it that, were near laughingstock levels at worst and archaic and inadequate at best. In that aspect alone, it would have been unwise to ask him back. I see him as a professional assistant, and there is no shame in that. It’s just a different role. I’d give him more like a 3 of 10, even given the tough circumstances.

    It’s one thing to worry about enough diversity among the coaching ranks, and wonder why this lack of balance exists. But this should not be a factor in professional coaching decisions. Let bad or mediocre coaches go, hire the best possible coaches available. It needs to be that simple.

  6. If there ever was a coach I’d hire as head coach and POBO who’s been out of the league for so long, it’d be Jeff Van Gundy since he’s just so well connected and involved with the league regardless for how long he’s been out. You look at his legacy to today’s league and see what he had left behind since he was fired from Houston in 2007 and you find his assistants have been very successful in Tom Thibodeau, who is probably one of the greatest defensive coach in league history, as well as guys like Steve Clifford and prominent assistant coaches like Andy Greer, Mike Longabardi, and Patrick Ewing and I haven’t even mentioned his brother, Stan, and what his done both offensively and defensively as well. Also, guys like Daryl Morey (though he did fire him), Sam Hinke and Gersson Rosas (Current Rockets’ Asst. GM that I think he should hire) had front office positions while JVG was coach and you see the impact they’ve had in the league in how to operate in executive positions in how to implement advance analytics and sport science, which I’m sure Jeff observed and learned from with his time with them, so he comes from a good cloth in jumping into today’s modern NBA.

    Van Gundy, strategically, has a style, especially defensively, that can certainly work in today’s NBA. His Rockets led in 3pt rate back in 2007 and we’re in the upper echelon in 2004-06 as well. Nevertheless, his teams’ offensive rating were often middling and had addressed in the Vertical Podcast with Woj that if he were to accept a head coaching position that he’d have to surround himself with offensive minds that can help him transition into today’s modern offenses and the names of assistants are all mostly defensive minds, so that could be worrying.
    Now with Thibs, I do get worried whether he’ll have some “perspective” when giving him that POBO role. That article that gjk mentioned gives me pause that Thibs will be the only voice in the room in this “totalitarian state” and I want someone who could operate with so sort of synergy with the organization, having others providing multiple perspective in order for this team to grow. I’m more comfortable with JVG providing that than Thibodeau. Whoever comes in next needs to maximize this teams’ potential in years five, six and seven of this core, not just in the next season or two.

  7. So sounds like the Bulls are shopping Jimmy Butler, any chance we would be able to land him? If we get the fifth pick, any combination the Bulls would be interested in? Fifth pick, some combination of Dieng, Muhammad, LaVine? I don’t know if we could pull off a trade we like to get Butler with just the fifth pick in this draft, but if we somehow luck into a top two pick I would be more than willing to trade it to get Butler. I don’t think Ingram or Simmons are likely to be as good as Butler is right now and he is still young. If we have a top two pick I think some combination of the three aforementioned players would get that deal done (not sure on the salary side if it would work but something could be figured out I’m sure).

    I think if there is anyway we can lock in a core of Rubio/Butler/Wiggins/Towns we have to do it. I don’t think Simmons or Ingram can guard the 4, making them a tough fit next to Wiggins who I don’t think should be playing the 2 anymore. The defensive ceiling with those four is crazy scary. Would need to fill out the bench and starting four, but those four would give you the potential to compete right now.

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