2015 NBA Draft, 2015 Offseason

Parochialism, Ubuntu, and other fun words: A Tyus Jones conversation


Many Minnesota basketball fans were excited by the fact that the Wolves traded back into the first round to acquire former Apple Valley prep star Tyus Jones with the 24th overall pick. But was it really the right move? Bill and Steve broke down all the angles in an email thread. Here’s the transcript:


You seem like maybe not a huge fan of drafting Mr. Jones. Would you like to exchange emails about it? I’m not necessarily a big Tyus fan but I kind of want to play devil’s advocate.


I might be a heartless, joyless, cynical bastard. When the Timberwolves traded the 31st and 36th picks for Tyus Jones, and all I could do was roll my eyes and embark on a snark-filled social media hissy fit.

I feel the need to explain myself. I don’t necessarily hate the pick. The Wolves need a true backup point guard, he put up efficient stats for the National Champions, and he’s still just 19 years old. What’s not to like? Well, he’s small (yes, he’s 6’2 with a 6’5 wingspan, but he’s rail thin) and doesn’t exactly jump out of the gym. But no prospect is without faults, especially when they’re still around late in the first round.

What really bugs me about this is that it seems so damned contrived. The Wolves traded away a young player (Thad Young, who’d been considered the potential power forward of the future a few months prior) in order to bring KG “home” ahead of their season ticket renewal deadline back in February. Then there’s the Jones move, which will spur parochial interest in the club, even if he’s nothing more than a mediocre player. What was the motivation, here? If he was from Toledo, would the Wolves make this move? Or is this merely the Country Club inducting another “one of us” into the fold?

I’m curious to hear your thoughts.


In thinking about trading for Tyus Jones, I find myself back into a somewhat uncomfortable corner, philosophically speaking, based on things I’ve said about other moves the Timberwolves have made. To wit:

1.) I have gone on record as saying that I think the Wolves’ practice of selling second round picks is terrible and undervalues players who can be a great value to a team that has to maximize every possible asset it has.

2.) I was generally in favor of bringing Kevin Garnett back because I never completely bought that Thad Young was doomed from the start. I think Young could have been a good fit with this team had injuries not derailed the vision of the team. Once things had gone south, though, it was not a relationship that was worth repairing. Could they have gotten more in terms of assets for Young? Maybe, maybe not. I still think the long-term impact of the Garnett move is playing out.

3.) I am leery of guys whose greatest quality in the mouths of GMs who draft them is “knows how to win.” Remember when LeBron decided Shabazz Napier was a must-have for the Heat because of his championship pedigree with UConn? Once LeBron bolted for Cleveland, “knowing how to win” didn’t help Napier see the floor for the Heat.

And yet in spite of all that, I find myself pumping the brakes on calling the move for Jones a disaster borne of the Wolves’ country club parochialism. (At the very least, we’re all getting to use the word “parochial” a whole lot, which is a plus.) There is absolutely no way in which getting Tyus Jones is not a majority marketing decision. I say this simply because if he weren’t from Apple Valley, there’s no way the Wolves’ front office is moving heaven and earth to get him.

But on the other hand, if he weren’t from Minnesota, then Flip wouldn’t have been watching play since he was a sophomore, wouldn’t have been eyeing him as a potential recruit when Flip was maybe going to coach the Gophers. Now that familiarity can be looked at as problematic in that it may be making Saunders overly comfortable with Jones in spite of his clear shortcomings (size and speed, primarily). But it also means that Flip may have a very clear sense of what Jones’ capabilities and limitations are, and more so than some other prospects. As not only the coach but a GM and (maybe most importantly) a part owner of the team, Saunders sees a known quantity who could blossom but who definitely brings a local appeal that will get butts in the seats. At worst, you’ve moved two second round picks for him.

Which, again, I know I said they have to value those second round picks, but you’re also now looking at a team with a gaggle of young players who need minutes and can’t all get them already. Consider the plight of poor Glenn Robinson III who hung around and hung around and never cracked the rotation. The Wolves need to get developmental minutes to Wiggins, LaVine, Muhammad, Dieng, Towns and possibly Payne (and even Bjelica now). Are two early second-rounders really going to break into that glut? There’s a better chance of just Jones wriggling in there.

I guess the ultimate thing for me is that while the rah-rah hometown thing was perhaps an overreach in Garnett’s case and not a completely sound philosophy overall, there’s nothing inherent in it that makes Jones a bad pick. There’s even a part of me that thinks you’ve given Jones the best chance to succeed in the NBA by bringing him back home. While the glare of the local spotlight can be harsh, there’s a good chance he gets more chances and a softer learning curve here than he would on any other team.

But so I guess what I’m saying is that I still think parochialism is bad, but that in this case it doesn’t really have anything to do with whether Jones turns out good or bad. I do know, though, that you had other players you liked better in that same area of the draft. So who did the Wolves miss out on?


There were guys I liked better than Jones in that general range: R.J. Hunter, Delon Wright, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, and Jordan Mickey come to mind. But as a draft novice, stumping for specific picks in the latter part of the first or early second round is probably a fool’s errand, so I won’t cape up for them here. That’s not my quibble.

Your analysis is solid – I agree with most of it. There’s plenty of parochialism (seriously, SUCH a fun word) at play with many of the Wolves’ decisions, but that doesn’t mean every time the organization hires or acquires someone with a local connection it’s doomed to fail. I mean, Jim Petersen is “one of us” and he’s also the best color analyst in the league. (I guess I’m a homer after all.) It’d be unfair of me to call the Tyus Jones trade misguided just because he happens to be from Apple Valley, and just because I think the “homecoming” angle is contrived. Ultimately, this was a low-risk move, and it’ll pique the interest of some fans who maybe like high school and college hoops, but ignore the NBA. That’s certainly possible.

I guess what it boils down to, for me, is that I dislike when geographical or sentimental factors govern personnel decisions. In the case of both Garnett and Jones, it’s certainly possible to make the argument that the best of both worlds are present. It’ll give the fans goosebumps, or make for a neat human-interest feature, AND they’re good basketball players. Maybe I’ve lost touch with what being a fan is really like, because none of that appeals to me. I think the Timberwolves ought to find the best basketball players available, as pragmatically as possible, and when this touchy-feely stuff clouds things up, I lash out.


And see this is exactly where things might get interesting because what if it’s not that parochialism is inherently bad (cf. Jim Petersen) but that the Wolves have just done it badly? What if it’s no different than any other strategy within basketball in that it doesn’t matter so much that you adopt it as that you adopt it and learn how to do it well?

The story around LeBron’s return to Cleveland was unmistakably a local one about delivering respect and championships to a blighted town — it just so happens it involved the best player in his late prime and yielded them a trip to the NBA Finals when they’d received the top pick in the draft just the year before. You could argue that Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki and other stars taking discounts to stay with their adopted home teams has an element of the kind of romanticism that’s led the Wolves to decisions like drafting Jones.

I guess some of it comes down to whether you think things like “Ubuntu” play some kind of active part in making a team good or if it’s really just about, as you say, the best basketball players available. And I’ll be honest: I don’t really know which it is. Fans need the stories, the stuff that stitches their feelings about the team together. It seems like most players lean on that same stuff in interviews, and probably do in private to a certain extent — after all, when everyone is playing at as high a level as players play in the NBA, it’s often more manageable for those actually playing to approach the game as being more about heart, effort, aggressiveness and focus than in terms of pure skill or reams of data.

Where the rubber meets the road on all this stuff, then, seems to be in coaching and management. How much can these guys pedal the Kool-Aid without drinking too much of it themselves? I think the Wolves’ front office has before shown themselves too susceptible to getting caught up in narratives about homecoming and return, but I think maybe Jones isn’t that, simply because they didn’t have to give up that much to get him.


When I say that I want the Timberwolves to “find the best players available, as pragmatically as possible,” I wasn’t trying to say that “ubuntu” or subjective factors don’t contribute to team success. In fact, I feel the opposite. There are personality traits, workplace chemistry and dumb luck that are all vital to whether or not a franchise has a winning culture, and analytics can’t help you much with any of that.

My criticism of the Jones thing, and the Garnett thing, and all parochial/hometown/human interest stories that are concocted to show that “this local guy will help the team win because he’s ONE OF US,” is that it’s so contrived. Acquire good players, and then the team will win games, and some of the rest of that will take care of itself. I sometimes wish pro sports teams (and the media, and fans) would cut the Lifetime movie subplot shit out. I’m not saying I don’t care about players as people. It’s clear that Tyus was very moved by the fact that he’ll get to play his home games at the Target Center; good for him. I’m a big proponent of keeping the humanity of professional athletes in mind at all times. And yet, I’m not sure “local boy plays here, local boy loves it here, local boy loves us, let’s all live vicariously through his success” is really appreciating who he is as a person. That’s putting him in a little box we’ve made. So if I got to give a tiny piece of advice to the Wolves, it’d be to quit trying so hard with that shit and worry about other things.

But hell, what do I know. Maybe Tyus Jones will be great! And maybe he was drafted on his own merit! But what bugs me is, we’ll never really know. I don’t hold the fact that he’s from here against him. But at the same time, I refuse to get swept up in the overwhelming love for the pick just because he is from here. Maybe that makes me a fuddy-duddy (man, another fun word). Oh well.

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20 thoughts on “Parochialism, Ubuntu, and other fun words: A Tyus Jones conversation

  1. Wow, So OK so much wrong with Bills take it is going to take a bit.

    1) 2 of the “guys I liked better” were gone when Tyus came off the board
    2) One is a PF. Yeah, this teams needs anther PF like Kahn needs to draft another PG.
    3) really his measurements? Maybe Kahn passed on Curry because of his measurements? Since they’re damn near identical.
    4) Tyus is rail thin? lol but RJ hunter would have been a better pick who is 4″ taller but weighs the same? DUDE!!

    Look I am not saying the kid was not drafted because Flip is familiar with him, but to say it was a narrow minded pick and then name off 4 guys who aren’t necessarily any better as your preferred picks makes no sense. It sounds like you’re looking to prove a point that you can’t make and hope that throwing enough crap at the wall does it for you. Except you used 4 really bad examples.

    The game Tyus Jones played in the championship game the poise, the big time play making on the biggest stage in NCAA basketball makes a case to try the kid out for the cost of two 2nd round picks especially when it’s a position of need. I’m all in on the pick.

    1. Another thing is with the wolves giving Hummel the QO and trying to get Bjelica, those extra second round picks just take up roster spots. Especially when backup pg was the biggest need behind getting towns and development. And lavine moving over to the 2 after last season almost seems definite. And flips wants to try a lineup with wiggins and shabazz and the 2 and 3. Jones is a winner. A floor general and is a shooter who can run the uptempo style of play. Delon can’t really shoot though I favored him. Little more. I think if flips plan was lavine back at the point then wolves would’ve probably taken Hunter, so then a backup SG or wing was on the roster. And at 19 tyus is definitely not done growing.

    2. Wow, So OK so much wrong with the way you are saying I was wrong that this is going to take a bit.

      1) I understand that two of the “guys I liked better” were off the board when the 24th pick rolled around. Give me the slightest benefit of the doubt, please. The overall point was that if the Wolves were going to trade into a spot between 18 (as they were trying to do with Houston) and 24 (where they eventually got him), I would’ve preferred a different player, like Delon Wright or RHJ.

      2) I understand that Jordan Mickey is a power forward. But if they had hung back at 31 and taken him, I would’ve been happier than dealing both picks for Tyus. I’m pretty high on Mickey, and it isn’t like either Bennett or Payne showed much of anything last season. At this point, I don’t care about roster fit as much as I do taking the best player available.

      3) I understand that measurements aren’t everything, but they’re certainly part of the story. Context is important.

      4) Yes, Tyus is rail thin. Yes, so is R.J. Hunter. But R.J. provides some outside shooting, which the team badly needs.

      Listen, at the end of the 1st round, there are problems with every prospect available. That’s why they’re available at the end of the 1st round. And if you read the entire post (I doubt you did, as all of your criticisms centered on one paragraph), you’d realize that I said that. My problem is not with the pick itself, it’s the general attitude the Wolves have regarding all this campy nonsense. I think Tyus will be a fine player.

      And as Skune brought up, celebrating one great game (or stretch of games) in the NCAA tournament isn’t exactly wise. To me, you could transfer a lot of what has been said about Tyus to Shabazz Napier, or Tyler Ennis, or Peyton Siva, or Matteen Cleaves, and none of those players are or were great pros. Attacking me because I’m not waving pom-poms is a bit much.

      1. Lol I actually read thee entire thing. 🙁 and I thought tyus could shoot :(….and I did mention the influx of picks is kinda an issue. I think all wolves people gotta get over the chandler parsons being selected with the second round pick we traded. Talk about it like it was the lost of harden on okc. I mean I thought Payne was actually decent for the split second the wolves had him at the end of the season (league pass owner so I did actually watch) I get the homer thing though. Especially with coaching. I though we should’ve given the job to JVG or Mike Malone. He went on 2 team trips. That’s country club enough for me. Players coach. Young team. Defensive coach. But I agree with a lot of what you said. I wanted Delon more for this team.

      2. And I think picking anybody named not Mickey or RHJ was based on sample size. Even RJ. He was there 3 years but if it wasn’t for the shot to get them pass Baylor idk if he’s in the list of more preferred picks.

  2. We got the MOP of the final four…
    Rubio back up was essential, freeing lavine to move to sg. Roster was tight looking at 2 2nd picks.
    Have to say, flip is the man.
    Still the country club does get a bit old.
    Like finding a coach…
    But when Mn isn’t attractive to Fa, maybe its a good strategy, need to be able to resign these young studs.
    Either way flip has made us temp. Forget about a ginx….. future is bright.. for now

  3. farnorth is spot on. The Tyus selection was not just a purely sentimental move as Bill is so cynical about. The Wolves had a need for a back-up PG (cuz LaVine doesn’t really count) and Tyus was the best PG prospect we could have selected given our resources. We also just don’t have space for two more 1st, 2nd, or 3rd players on the roster to trading 2-for-1 wasn’t really a bad move. I also liked Jerian Grant better as a prospect but neither the Celts, Wiz, or Raps were going to trade their first round picks for our two second-rounders, so unless you think either one of the Harrison twins were better prospects, the Wolves clearly made the right choice.

    I don’t think Tyus is a sure-fire solution by any means. He’ll have to increase his athleticism and his spot-up shooting to even be playable. He reminds me a lot of Tyler Ennis and Shabazz Napier who both had the same rep were high-IQ/winning PGs that struggled greatly in their first years. However, he is a great P/R ball-handler, a dangerous pull-up threat, takes care of the ball, was the best passer in the draft, and closes out on shooters and understands off-the-ball defensive concepts well enough to be worth the move. The MN connection is just icing on the cake.

    Even if I was hoping they’d shoot for the moon a bit by taking a flyer on Jordan Mickey or take a big risk on Robert Upshaw, I have no qualms with their selection.

  4. Something like this needed to be explored. I would’ve much rather seen them fill with a veteran and/or a guy who could play with Rubio.

    People also overlook what happens when hometown goes wrong. Joe Mauer has been Public Enemy #1 for many Twins fans for years because he hasn’t lived up to expectations. If Jones is decent but not better than Rubio, parochialism will lead to “Tyus” chants every time Rubio misses a shot, and in a worse scenario, not being able to handle a larger role. If he’s bad, those same fans will turn on him. Casual fans make a lot of bad evaluations; that becomes magnified much more in a situation like this. The last 5 24th picks were Napier, Hardaway, Jared Cunningham, Reggie Jackson, and Damion James. So expectations should be lowered. By a lot.

  5. I think the Wolves filled a need–back-up point guard–with this pick. We didn’t really need 2 2nds round picks on a roster clogged with developing youth. However, we do need a true back up point. As gjk points out, this could have been filled by a vet of some kind and I was half expecting that. Without giving up assents beyond our 2nd round picks, we got the best point guard left at the spot we could manage to move up to. If I was drafting, I would probably picked Hunter with that spot, but he has some glaring weaknesses, too. I feel like Hunter has more of a chance to be an impact NBA player than Jones, but we probably need a back up point more than a back up shooting guard. That said, we need three point shooting like we need oxygen.

    This brings me to Tyus. With the local connection (which is fun…) there are two dangers. One, he could end up decent and challenge a clearly more talented Rubio because of shooting and hometown hero sentiment. Two, he could be a bad player. I honestly think two is where our main worry should be. People touched on his size here. Size is not everything, particularly for points. However, when you are not quick or athletic or strong and also lack size, then it is certainly a worry. Add to this that Jones is a decent shooter, but he’s not great by any means. Jones is pretty small. He’s listed at 6’2″ but is barely 6 even without shoes and lacks length. He doesn’t stretch this size with athleticism at all. Jones is a good passer, and an average shooter from 3. He can find ways to lay it up (in college…) but lacks speed, physicality and athletic ability. His main strength is an above average feel for the game and the fact that he’s a smart kid. Personally, I don’t have him projected as an NBA player. He might not last in the league. He might also surprise and find a good role. The Wolves probably hope to groom him into a solid back-up, but that is by no means a sure thing. Most likely good back up is his ceiling and his floor might be as low as a short, bench heavy appearance in the NBA. I hope local fans have their expectations calibrated to this to some degree. This isn’t really a knock on Tyus so much as a fact that comes with picks in that range. They tend to have a lot of shortcomings to overcome to stick as guys who contribute in the Association.

  6. I think there’s room for both Bill and Steve to be right here. Steve first: there’s a compelling statistical argument to be made that Jones is a top 10 talent in this draft. Throw in the fact that Jones fills a position of need, slipped a little further than expected in the draft, and could be gotten for basically nothing (given the Wolves history of selling 2nd rounders), and this acquisition appears to be the handiwork of an excellent GM. This is without mention of the tickets that he will sell, or the interest in a moribund franchise that he + Towns will revive. It’s clearly a win for the Wolves, and as a Wolves fan I’m thrilled that we were able to acquire an extremely competent (perhaps even overqualified) backup PG for a handful of second-round picks.

    Now to validate Bill’s take: I highly doubt that anyone reading who’s reading this, or who follows the Wolves in general, thinks that Flip traded for Jones because he’s the 10th overall prospect as rated by EWP (shout-out to Wolves/Stats Elder God Layne Vashro). The primary driver for the trade appears to have been the homecoming angle, Flip/Glen’s personal comfort with Jones, and the tickets he will sell. The cynic in my actually speculates that the reason we heard nothing on the Bjelica front until post-draft is because Flip was prepared to move his rights and/or Bennett to move up for Jones. Wolves fans got very fortunate that Jones fell to Cleveland, who need to keep their guaranteed contracts to a minimum in order to overpay Tristan Thompson. It appears to be another example of good result/bad process – and if there’s one overarching theme to the Wolves current playoff drought, it’s bad process.

    In a vacuum, it’s great the Wolves have Jones now. Outside the vacuum, the Wolves still need to move towards an ownership/GM paradigm that wouldn’t have taken Jones if the Cavs had demanded Bjelica, or if Jones’ ceiling as indicated by stats were lower.

  7. I also doubt the wolves make the playoffs next year so it’s a bother lottery pick unless it’s traded for a vet and or assets so all those extra second
    Rd picks are kinda unwarranted. Can’t send them to he d league. Those contracts still count. Delon is a better shot creator and taller but 4 years older so the upside ain’t really there and can’t shoot. Better defensively as well. lol maybe all the extra assets was payback for wiggins

  8. Bill, “Yes, Tyus is rail thin. Yes, so is R.J. Hunter. But R.J. provides some outside shooting, which the team badly needs.”

    RJ Hunter was .365 from 3pt range last year. Tyus Jones .379 I agree RJ has better range but, you see Hunters shot selection? He thinks once he’s crossed mid court if no one is on him, hoist a three. We don’t need that kind of shooting. He’s also 2 years older. Or in the words of Dennis Green (sort of) “he is what we think he is”

    The Wolves are adding Nemanja Bjelica we need another 4 on this team? C’mon man all we had at the backup 1 was Brown we needed a PG and the Wolves are cash strapped this year. There is no vet they’re going to get they’re using what little they have on Bjelica. (although I was disappointed we could not work out something with Toronto for Vasquez)

    There was nothing wrong with the Tyus pick. looking at the roster he fits. It’s not like the Wolves reached for him, almost all projections had him going before the Wolves picked at 24. That’s what I am attacking you for. You are acting like the Wolves overpaid for a kid that was projected to go in the second round just because he is from MN when the facts are Memphis flat out said they were talking him at 25.

    GJK, Twins fans are not upset with Mauer for not living up to “expectations” we’re upset because he’s not living up to his humongous contract. There’s a difference.

    1. RJ hunter was the only weapon at Georgia State and everyone knew it. His 3pt% comparison is a bad call. There are a lot of open shots available to you when the other team is double and triple teaming your center. I really liked the pick of Jones, but he is not near the shooter that Hunter is.

      1. The point is the need was at the 1 not the 2 and Hunter is a balk shooter, something the Wolves do not need.

        1. Agreed, now we can stop pretending that Lavine is a PG. Wolves have a bit of a log jam at the 2/3 right now. After this year I think Martin has to go. Let Lavine or Shabazz start(whoever earns it), and let the other be the 6th man that fills in both slots.

        2. I guess it depends on what’s meant by “bulk shooter”; there’s a huge difference between the Korvers and Thompsons of the world and sub-35% guys like Lou Williams and C.J. Miles. If he’s above-average (league average last season was 35%), that has huge value, especially for a team who everyone wants to generate more 3s. This isn’t Troy Daniels part 2: Hunter is 6’5 with a 6’10 wingspan and was considered a possible lottery pick if the right team liked him (much like the Wolves and LaVine a year ago). Also, it’s much cheaper to get a backup PG than a shooter in free agency.

          This is more a general comment aimed at what I’ve seen on Twitter, but when fans look at rosters, they worry way too much about playing time for young non-starters. This team has many unproven players and needs to create healthy competition for all but a starting wing and starting post spot (Wiggins and Towns). Younger guys like LaVine, Muhammad, Dieng, and Payne need to be able to earn their spots on a winning team; 3 of them have shown they likely belong in the NBA (and Payne will stay because of what they paid for him), but that’s a lot different than being a rotation player for a playoff team. In this case, bringing in Hunter wouldn’t mean he’d be a rotation guy as a rookie, but after Martin leaves, he could become a good, cheap bench shooter who’d make sure LaVine isn’t just gifted the starting job. This roster should never be considered “set”; they need to keep adding and developing talent to create competition on the roster and to replace any non-core guys who get too expensive.

    2. “Not living up to what he’s being paid” falls under the umbrella of “expectations” because fan expectations often factor in what a guy’s getting paid (Pek is a good example of this), and this criticism of Mauer was happening long before his contract extension. Almost since the time he came up, he’s been bashed for not hitting with enough power.

      More pertinent, though, is this: Jones was a flashy recruit who has been talked about in this state since he was in 8th grade, won state titles at the highest class level (4A), went to the perceived gold standard of college basketball, won a national title, and was a first-round pick. The type of fan who gets excited about his drafting is also the type of fan who thinks he’ll be better than Rubio (do a Twitter search for “Rubio trade” since the draft and you’ll see how many idiots there are out there) and would be disappointed if he’s just a good backup. It’s not even a safe bet he becomes that, which would make the casual fan reaction even worse. The fan reaction to Joel Pryzbilla and Kris Humphries (2 guys who didn’t spurn the U of M) at Target Center during their pro careers shows that Minnesotans will turn on their own fast.

  9. A couple of things to point out: unlikely that Rubio plays more than 55-60 games, so that makes Tyus the starter or some of the season. You can bet on it. I think he’ll do okay in the same way that Stockton did okay. And Flip doesn’t like outside shooting, so of course he will opt for Tyus over Hunter, because Flip is stuck in 1993.

    The more important criticism of Bill’s take, I think, is that this game is one of systems and how they oppose or attract one another, and the whole Wolves system sucks. And the system is whole. It’s not an individual talent, no matter how gargantuan. Cousins is a huge talent, but will the Kings ever win? Their approach to business and sport is so f’d up that no, of course that team will never win. The Wolves are an even worse system than the Kings. It’s Taylor, at the top, slowly accreting 300 to 400 million dollars profit by being mediocre or by being bad, and Saunders the doofus GM and Saunders the blinkered coach. Of course Hunter is a more valuable pick to this team than Tyus Jones, but the team is not capable of reacting to this reality. Like the readers here, pointing at Jones in the NCAA final as proof of his worth: he played in a system superior to Wisconsin’s, did what he was trained to do, and benefited by being surrounded by better players than Wisconsin had, executing a better system than Wisconsin’s, and becoming more attractive to better recruits in the future.

    The Wolves will never be the Spurs until a visionary shows up here. That’s not any fool named Saunders or Taylor.

    (The tone in these threads is almost exactly the same, BTW, as at this time last year. Have the editors noticed that? Rampant runaway optimism, followed by another historic failure of injury and inadequate leadership. Can next season be any different than last season? Yes. Ten wins better, thanks to Wiggins and KAT. That still gets us into the lottery!)

    1. Stockton is a top 5 PG all time, a little better than ok. I am a fan of Jones, and think he will be solid, but in no way will he do anything close to what John Stockton did.

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